Stop the BIG BOX sprawl Madness
London is obsessed with retail big box sprawl which basically pushes the boundaries of our city and creates empty retail spaces throughout the inner city. This is madness. I probably don't have to convince you, but look around and you will see places like Westmount Mall, which was once thriving and is now empty because developers built their sprawl at Wonderland and Southdale. It makes no sense whatsoever and we the taxpayers pay for all the infrastructure that comes with the sprawl. Stop the madness!! Our city's priority should start at the centre and work it's way out. If we continue the sprawl, we will continue to have this problem.
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Kevin Yaraskavitch commented
Let's be clear here, sprawl is not the developers' fault, it's council's. Council is the one that turns intensification projects away. They discourage developers by declining their proposals. Developers have to find a way to make money and find the path of least resistance, which is sprawl.
Increasing density can be a lucrative business. People a willing to pay more per square foot when they have easy access to school, work and play. Let's cut the red tape for building walk-able communities.
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Jade commented
I am a high school student in London yet I also agree with this. It is hard to get around London and many of the places nearby are typically big box stores and empty malls. Seeing many local businesses that start downtown are encouraging, but something has to be done with the big box stores. There are multiple around London, and this does not promote the image of creativity at all or benefit the economy of London greatly. You can find these stores everywhere, and although are useful, I don't think these smart centers that are littering and filling up London are very beneficial to us as a city. We have plenty of room for businesses inside the city itself without expanding the city further. I think if we could encourage smaller, local stores that would be fantastic and great for the city. My friends and I have taken to try to shop downtown at stores that are locally owned over big box companies. We have plenty of space IN the city already and it would be great if they could be used to the city's advantage instead of building more big box stores. I sure as heck would support that!
(I apologize for my rambling..just my input as a high schooler) -
DF commented
Yes - please make it stop! I just moved here to London a few months ago, and one of the key things attracting me to London (other than family) are the historic buildings and unique communities/events it has to offer. These "Smart" centres just seem to destroy any culture a city has and they are everywhere in North America.
I'm a young entrepreneur in the tech industry, and I'd like think that London is trying hard to attract these types of demographics.
If building sprawling Big Box stores is the answer to some economical question, then there is something missing in the equation and we truly need to try harder and be more creative!
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GreatTallNorth2 commented
Nathan, it means changing both. It means voting out Paul Van Mer Burgen as well.
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BlueLabel commented
Big box stores don't have much life left in them anyway. It won't be too long before the baby boomers (largest segment of the population), won't want to go to these huge stores. Where they'll have to park in a giant parking lot, then walk to the back right corner of a store the size of a football field, to buy a light bulb.
You'll see the rebirth of the Mom and Pop stores again.
My 2 cents.
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Nathan Dawthorne commented
So if the stores go where the population is - then that means changing where the new housing developments are first - not targetting the big box stores themselves.
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GreatTallNorth2 commented
Well the problem with the status quo (allowing the big box sprawl to continue) is that sprawl development creates more sprawl development. Don't think that these big box developers are going to build elsewhere. They are not. They need to service the people where the population is. Our developers and the city just need to be more creative when building these new stores. And how many empty holes do you want in the city? Who is going to fill up these buildings if we don't do something? Ever hear of Detroit? Vibrant shopping in the suburbs and lots of dead buildings in the city of Detroit. I don't want that, do you? Hyde Park Big Box sprawl is an utter disaster. That dumbmoves centre is the worst big box development I've ever seen. And now London taxpayers are stuck paying for the services.
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manny_santos commented
Agreed with Nathan - when the Oxford-Hyde Park area was redeveloped around 2004, it was an opportunity to create a vibrant shopping area, but instead the developers created one of the worst neighbourhood shopping areas in the city. The section on the south side of Oxford lacks sidewalk access, and the stores there including Starbucks were turned away from the street, instead showcasing the drive-thru (something else that London needs to ban) to the street. That whole area has been an unmitigated disaster.
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Nathan Dawthorne commented
I think one concern is that if we put a limit on where BIG BOX stores can open then they will just go somewhere where there isn't restrictions - thereby negatively affecting London's economy. [I'm not entirely sure but I think starting from "scratch" in a so called empty area may be cheaper then remodelling existing structures or tearing down? (I may be wrong hower)]
I don't think I'd have such a problem with opening a new CIBC about a block away from the old one if the new one was part of innovative and eco-design. If you must build big box powercentres design them to be friendly to cars AND pediestrians; Design them to incorporate eco-designs; make sure they aren't exact copies of each other but uniquely designed structures.
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GreatTallNorth2 commented
Richard, you don't make much sense.
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Wordsmith2 commented
This writer has 'hit the nail' on the head regarding the problem in this city. When local politicians, and developers stop all the sprawl going on around the outskirts of London and concentrate more on the heart-downtown-only then will it again beome vibrant and alive.
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RICHARD commented
ya sure good idea and lets pay 5 times the cost...we dont even shop Canada anymore...every two weeks off to the US and do all of our shopping well worth the drive especially with dollar high!
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RockinonLdn commented
GreatTallNorth2 is dead on and one of the experts consulted in a recent LFP story agrees. With both readers and experts in agreement, why is the LFP not making more of this obvious fact (and clear problem)?
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J Turvill commented
The big box strip at Wonderland and Southdale ruined the Westmount neighbourhood.
This type of development is car centric. We used to be able to walk to the Westmount Mall and meet our neighbours and purchase most of our needs, and even visit the library. Now you have to drive, or if you brave the walk, it's long and loud. What a shame. -
manny_santos commented
I agree entirely. The City of London needs to start saying "no" to developers.
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GreatTallNorth2 commented
Hyde Park and the DumbCentre there is another example of crazy big box sprawl. It is so pedestrian UN-friendly where you have box stores scattered everywhere. So dumb!